Dec. 8, 2025
Why Some Students Only Show Up When School Counselors Are Trying to Leave
Why do some students wait until school counselors are walking out the door before they finally open up?
It’s not randomness, and it’s definitely not manipulation. It’s nervous system timing, and understanding it will change the way you interpret those 3:24 p.m. confessions forever.
In this episode, Steph Johnson breaks down the neurobiology behind “drive-by disclosures” and explains why so many students can only share the hard stuff after the bell rings. You’ll learn:
• Why nervous system safety rises at the end of the school day
• How control and autonomy shape when students speak
• The role attachment patterns play in last-minute disclosures
• How to tell the difference between a disclosure and a true crisis
• What to do in the moment- without sacrificing your boundaries
Most importantly, you’ll hear a grounded, clinical explanation of why students trust you most at the exact moment you feel least available.
If you’ve ever wondered, “Why now?” this episode finally gives you the answer.
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All names, stories, and case studies in this episode are fictionalized composites drawn from real-world circumstances. Any resemblance to actual students, families, or school personnel is coincidental. Details have been altered to protect privacy.
00:00 - The Jolt At 3:24 P.M.
02:51 - Biology, Not Manipulation
05:16 - Safety, Neurosception, And Timing
08:26 - Control, Autonomy, And Toe Dips
11:16 - Attachment Patterns In The Clock
13:21 - The Silent Students We Miss
15:21 - Your Body’s Reaction And Co‑Regulation
17:26 - Contain Vs Crisis: Practical Scripts
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You know all about this.
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It's 324 in the afternoon.
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The buses are humming.
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And just as you're thinking about escaping and finally going home, you hear, hey, do you have a minute?
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Or I don't want to go home.
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And you freeze because you suspect this is not going to be just a quick chat.
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You know that feeling that shoots through you in that moment.
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It's like a jolt, right?
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And the instant alert.
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And your brain starts calculating, what am I up against?
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And what do I do now?
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And your heart is going, please, not today.
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You've probably felt that mix in your career before.
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Compassion mixed with panic, with a little frustration and maybe even some guilt.
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And they all swirl together like a tornado all at once.
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It is the school counselor's version of emotional whiplash.
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But here's the thing that nobody talks about.
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Those moments aren't random.
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That timing, those last few minutes of the day, those disclosures aren't coincidence.
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They're perfectly timed by students' nervous systems themselves.
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And here's what I'll tell you that nobody else will.
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Sometimes the best thing that you can do in these situations is not to jump into action, but to say, hey, we'll get to this tomorrow morning and mean it with your entire heart.
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Because not all of those 324 confessions are emergencies.
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They're neurobiology.
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And once you understand the science, everything changes.
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It has less to do with your availability and a whole lot more to do with their biology.
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So if you're ready for some straight talk, my friend, some clarity on your work and maybe a little bit of rebellion, you're gonna be in the right place.
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I'm Steph Johnson, and this is the School for School Counselors podcast.
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All right, so why do they always wait until the last possible second?
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You've been there, you've had your backpack on your shoulder, your keys are in your hand, and then you see a student lingering, and they say, Can I just tell you something real quick?
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And you just know it is not going to be quick.
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That timing is a form of self-protection.
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Adolescents live in a constant tug of war between wanting to tell and being terrified to tell.
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Blakemore and Mills describe this as a neurological conflict.
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The limbic system fuels urgency, but the prefrontal cortex manages foresight.
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During the chaos of the school day, the emotion usually wins.
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But by the final bell, when the noise starts dissipating, when the people start filing out of the building, their body quiets just enough for reason to catch up.
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And that's when their brain says, okay, you can do this now.
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So when you hear, hey, do you have a second at 324?
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Understand this.
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It's not manipulation.
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It sometimes feels like it, but what it really is is biology.
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It's because their nervous system has finally given them the permission to speak.
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So remember in the hoodie episode, which was the last one before this, when we talked about polyvagal theory and how the nervous system has to feel safe before it can connect.
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This is the same principle, different timing.
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Stephen Porgis explains that under stress, our body stays in fight, flight, or freeze.
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For many students, that's the whole school day, right?
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Crowded halls, loud cafeterias, constant social navigation, and academic pressures.
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But when the building starts to quiet, something shifts.
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Their body slips toward what Porgis calls ventral vagal calm, the state that allows connection and vulnerability.
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And when that calm finally appears, so does the truth.
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That's why disclosures tend to cluster either in the last minutes of the day or right before an extended break, because their body is finally saying it is safe enough now.
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For trauma-exposed students, this may be the only daily window where vulnerability is even possible.
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I remember I had a student once who hovered at my doorway every day while everyone else was walking out the doors.
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She wasn't waiting for me.
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She was waiting for her nervous system to let her speak.
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And as Dan Siegel teaches, the brain has to feel safe before it can engage, even in curiosity.
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And at 324, it finally can.
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So if safety is the key, why don't students show up earlier?
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Like lunch or a free block or a passing period.
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Because safety isn't just about you.
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Safety is about the context.
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Porgis calls this neurosception.
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It's our body's unconscious scan for safety or danger.
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During the day, even if you're safe, the context may not be.
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Someone might overhear, right?
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Someone might question where the student is, the bell might interrupt them, or a peer might see them walk into your office.
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But at 324, the building empties, the witnesses disappear, and the day ends anyway.
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So the situation finally feels safe enough.
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And here's the part of all of this that is fascinating but also frustrating.
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Students don't choose this moment despite your limited time.
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They choose it because of it.
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If they provide a disclosure at 10 a.m., there's still time for meetings and calls and consequences and follow-up, and they might not be ready for that.
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But at 324, there is a built-in exit.
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It's disclosure, but with a safety net.
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They can unburden themselves without losing control over what comes next.
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Lisa Damore calls this testing the temperature of the water, a toe dip before they dive on in.
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So this limited window isn't a bug.
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Self-determination theory shows that even small choices enhance well-being and reduce stress.
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And choosing the timing of a confession is one of the few things that students can control.
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I had a student once who waited until the very end of the day to tell me that her family was moving.
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She had relief as well as regret on her face.
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She shared her information with me on her terms.
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And honestly, that was her right.
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And for many students, this is also a test because attachment research shows that adolescents don't stop seeking connection.
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They just seek it indirectly.
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They don't walk up to you and ask, do you care about me?
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They ask, what happens if I tell you something at the worst possible time?
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So if you stay regulated and responsive, they learn, hey, I matter even when it's not convenient.
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So they may not necessarily be trying to make your day harder.
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They may be checking to see whether you are still safe.
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Hey, you know what's wild?
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When I teach this inside the School for School Counselors Mastermind, counselors always say, I thought I was the only one dealing with this.
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Good news, you're not.
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Hundreds of counselors inside the mastermind are navigating these same 324 disclosures, the tests, the patterns.
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And when you're with people who get all of that, everything starts to change.
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So if you're tired of figuring this out alone, come join us.
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Schoolforschoolcounselors.com slash mastermind.
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All right, so let's talk about patterns too.
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Because when students consistently show up at the same time, that timing tells you something.
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Kids with anxious attachment might test urgency, like, will you still help me when it's inconvenient?
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Kids with avoidant attachment use time limits as protection.
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I'll tell you, but I need an escape route.
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Kids with disorganized attachment may swing between both of those.
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Ever had a kid that shows up the same day every week, and then later you find out at some sort of a custody exchange?
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Yeah, I've had several of those in my career, and I figured out that once I check in with them earlier in the day, the end-of-day drive-by stop.
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Timing tells the story underneath the story.
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But then what about the ones who never tell?
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We also need to think about those students who never disclose.
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Because for every student who drops a confession at 324, many more stay silent.
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And it's not because they don't need help, but because their nervous system never signals safety.
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Vanderkolk writes about this.
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Some students stay in survival mode so long that vulnerability really never feels like an option.
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They're the kids who seem fine, who fly under the radar, and who only come to the surface when something breaks wide open.
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You didn't miss all that stuff.
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It was their body protecting them.
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So we go to those kids with a low pressure presence.
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Hey, how's it going?
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Or I noticed you were kind of quiet today.
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Giving check-ins without expectation.
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Some students are gonna need 50 moments of I see you before they can risk one moment of I need you.
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And your job isn't to force the door open, it's just to stand next to it.
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So we've talked about these end-of-day disclosures.
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We've talked about the science of safety and why students wait until the absolute last minute to tell you, and how students' bodies and brains determine what's safe enough.
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But we also need to acknowledge that when these situations happen, and they will, you feel it too.
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Your chest probably tightens, your thoughts start to race, and sometimes you leave campus feeling absolutely wired.
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D City and Lamb found that witnessing distress activates some of the same neural circuits as experiencing distress.
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Your body jumps into that storm before you even realize it.
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So when you get these end-of-day disclosures, make sure you pause and breathe out slowly, drop your shoulders, maybe even name one feeling for yourself.
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You can't co-regulate anybody from a flooded nervous system, right?
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So protecting your peace isn't selfish.
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It's very, very strategic, especially in moments like these.
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Because here's what's happening in your body at 324.
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Your amygdala pops off, your heart rate spikes, your breathing shortens, and your prefrontal cortex, that's the clear thinking part of your brain, it kind of goes offline a little bit.
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And that urge to fix everything instantly is your nervous system mirroring theirs.
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If you respond from that state, you will not be co-regulating, you'll be co-escalating.
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Dan Siegel calls this catching someone's emotional state.
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So before you respond, take a breath.
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In for four, hold for four, and out for six.
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It brings your thinking brain back online and creates just enough space to respond instead of react.
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So don't skip that.
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Now we've been trained to treat every 324 disclosure like it's a crisis, haven't we?
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But the urgency that we feel in these situations is often ours.
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It's not theirs.
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Students are not showing up asking for a six-minute miracle.
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They're asking you to be a witness to what is heavy.
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And when we start rushing through these situations, we undermine what they're really testing, which is can you stay calm when I can't?
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So here's your reminder that sometimes the most therapeutic thing that you can say is tomorrow morning.
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Containing the problem is not neglect, it's professionalism.
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And care does not have to equal chaos.
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Let's get tactical for a minute and talk about what you actually do when one of these moments shows up in your doorway.
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So first, make sure you can tell the difference between disclosure and crisis.
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And I know that sounds silly, but in the moment it is very hard to do.
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A disclosure means I need you to know this exists.
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A crisis is I need you to do something right now.
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Disclosure feels like relief, but crisis feels like escalation.
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It gets bigger as it unfolds.
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Trust your nervous system.
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Y'all, it knows the difference.
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Secondly, you can contain the situation without closing the loop.
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So you could say something like, I'm so glad you felt safe enough to tell me this.
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And I want to make sure we have time to do it right.
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Can we talk about this first thing tomorrow?
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It validates their courage without overextending your bandwidth.
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Third, make sure you document before you leave.
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Even just a quick note to yourself.
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Time, date, brief summary keeps the continuity secure and allows you to let it go until you return to campus.
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It kind of helps keep you from stewing over it all night long.
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And then fourth, make sure that you are reassuring, creating a plan, and that you actually reconnect.
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You did the right thing.
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Here's what happens next.
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I'll find you tomorrow to check in.
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It grounds them in predictability.
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And then again, remember they're going to take their cue from your tone.
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So slow your speech.
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Keep your body language open because your calm is contagious.
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And here's a professional sanity saver.
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I often encourage school counselors in my mastermind to block off small pockets of time at the end of the week and right before and after long breaks.
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Because that's when these kinds of disclosures tend to spike.
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When things slow down, safety rises, and all the unspoken stories start coming up to the surface.
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So instead of being blindsided, plan for it.
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Give yourself a buffer of grace and time to be able to handle them.
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All right.
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So out of all of this, here's what I hope you remember.
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The last-minute confession is not designed to ruin your day.
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It's courage.
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They are not trying to make your day harder.
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They're just proving to you that your presence matters.
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And every time you're able to pause and stay grounded, you teach them and show them what safety really feels like.
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You gotta know they're not dumping their problems on you at the last minute.
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They are delivering proof of trust.
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All right, my friend, those are your 11th hour moments decoded.
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And one last thing.
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If you're thinking of a time that you did not handle one of these situations, well, let it go.
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You're human, you're doing hard work in impossible conditions, and repair is always possible.
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Next time, we're gonna talk about another student mystery.
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Why does every ding dang thing have to turn into a competition?
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But until then, remember, even at 3 24 p.m., you're exactly who your students need most.
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Take care.
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